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Turning People Pleasing Into Self Supporting Confidence with Lisa Philyaw – powered by Happy Scribe

Are you living your best life as a salesperson or entrepreneur, or do you find you’re working all the time on this hamster wheel of life while stressed out and not financially free, which is the exact opposite of what you had signed up for, especially now in this global pandemic? If this is you, you are not alone. I found myself there in 2008 when I lost everything, including my health, and had to pivot. Working from home for the first time with no money.

I rebuilt my life from scratch, juggling motherhood and marriage to get my life back and be recession and pandemic proof today. Now we live laptop lifestyles with our kids and are poised to travel the world together. How did we do it? Join me as I share my health and wealth and wisdom secrets, tips, tools and expert interviews to equip you to be recession proof and live your best life. My name is Lois Koffi and this is healthy and wealthy and wise.

Well, all right. All right. All right. Happy Friday, everyone. It’s that time again. Coach Lois here with another episode of Healthy and Wealthy and Wise. Again, this is a show designed for you or the entrepreneur or the sole opener, the salesperson to learn how to be your best and highest version of yourself through your health, through your wealth, whatever that means for you. And then, of course, bringing expert guests each week to bring you wisdom, golden nuggets, things that are tried and true, that have worked for them.

So sharing from their mistakes, their experience and of course, their expertize to guide you and show you the way. Super excited to have my friend Lisa here today. We met here in Southern California back in the day when you could get together in person with these before the pandemic. And I was so impressed by her confidence and her friendliness and just her groundedness and her energy is is amazing. So I know she’s going to be bringing a lot of amazing energy today.

And she’s a confidence coach who helps people get the confidence to do the work their way, kind of like they were born to do. Right. And so a big topic that we’re going to talk about today is the topic of people pleasing. She has a master’s in psychology, so she’s studied a lot of what’s going on in our minds. And I do know that as a recovering people pleaser, I’m really, really excited about this podcast today. So if you guys see value, as always, please hit the share button.

And if you’re tuning in live, go ahead and let us know where you’re tuning in from and comment below hashtag live. And if you’re on the replay, go ahead and hit hashtag replay. So I’m just going to turn over to you. I’d love for you to introduce yourself. Tell us how you got to be where you are today and then we’ll dove right into the topic of the day and people pleasing, of course.

Well, thank you so much, Lois. It’s so wonderful to be here with you. I remember when we met as well and just being attracted to the energy that you bring. So thank you so much for this opportunity. And hello, everyone. It is wonderful to be here with you. So my story with people pleasing. It started about five years ago, actually. And I remember I used to get so anxious before going to sleep whenever there was a big work event that I wouldn’t be able to sleep the entire night and I would get so stressed.

So I would vacillate from anxiety and rest and then into frustration. And it was a lot of beating myself up, a lot of self-pity. And so I would try to overcompensate by working longer hours, doing whatever was wanted of me in the team, not really thinking about boundaries in terms of workload or anything like that, to be a little much to the point where I started to wonder if I could even cut it in the workplace. So then I discovered coaching and I’ve applied a lot of the tools about people pleasing and building your confidence to my own life.

And that’s how I I shifted out of it. But I think before the show started, you and I were talking and it isn’t like you flip a switch and all of a sudden you’re done. I mean, at least if you found the switch, please tell me where it is, because I have not found that. But there are things you can do to not make it a habit. And there are things that you can do to help yourself hit pause, even to stop the behavior and shift your identity with that.

Who I like that. I hope you guys are taking notes. This is this is really important stuff. So, first of all, how there’s two questions I have for you if we can dove right into this, because I think there’s some people out there who maybe I’ve heard a ton about people pleasing since last year. And that really is something that I looked in the mirror and recognize. Oh, my gosh, that’s me. My first question, can you define.

You said working long hours, but can you maybe give even more examples of how does one know that they’re suffering from people putting.

Yeah, I think. Bottom line, people pleasing is lying, even with the best intentions, it’s lying because you’re not being truthful to yourself about what you want and you’re not expressing it to others. And it comes really deep down. What I find most times with my self and with my clients is it’s from the need for control. I feel like we need to control. We want them to feel good about us so that we can feel good about us.

But we make this round about plasticware in order to feel good about us. They have to feel good about us, which we can’t control, but we try to control with our behaviors stuck in the cycle. And even if they do feel good about us, we don’t really get to truly feel good about us because we’re not really there for us.

It’s almost like you become I know this is what I did, wearing a mask and trying to be someone who I wasn’t for other people, leaders in my life, mentors in my life, even sometimes it happens, you might even have to have a coach who’s trying to mold you into a certain path. And maybe that’s not even where you really are meant to to go. Would you say any of that is accurate as well?

I would agree. And I think high achievers, people also who maybe were really good at school are pretty smart. They can see oftentimes what other people are wanting. And it’s it’s easy to shift and we’ve been rewarded for it our whole life. I mean, you study, you get. Yeah, you’re praised for that. And so you do those behaviors without even checking in. Is this what I really want to do that I can relate to that I was and I’m always willing to be vulnerable.

And maybe you can even build on this, because I’m sure with your master’s in psychology, you studied this. But like, I was born and raised by a single dad and had a lot of childhood trauma. I was like when my mom left. And I know I said some point made a decision to be a people pleaser by getting straight A’s, being the good girl, always following the rules, not making waves. Thankfully, that changed later in life because now I love to make waves, but.

But don’t you think that a lot of a lot of the people who are using comes from trauma or false beliefs that have been either probably projected from others or created in our moment of trying to protect ourselves in that bubble of fear of loss, fear of abandonment, fear of rejection, whatever.

Yeah, one hundred percent. And I think it comes back to that control if we fear the abandonment. So we do something we think will help them not abandon us. But we can’t make somebody stay. We can’t make somebody like us, and that’s one of the hardest things to realize because we have all this evidence for how I did this thing. Then they they responded in this way, but still their choice. And even if they like you, they’re not really like you.

They’re liking this masked version of you.

Wow. That’s powerful. Can I ask another question? Because this is and this is important because I work with a lot of coaches, podcasters, a lot of people who are where I was before the pandemic, before I recognize my people pleasing habits. And really, I was kind of addicted to it. It was like dopamine hits all the time when I said yes and overcommitting and. Oh, yes, sure, I’ll do that. And I was getting approval rate in my mind.

That was all all up here. And no one made me do anything. No one held me hostage. It was me allowing that to happen. But it also put a cap on my income so I could never get that four figure a month monkey off my back. And when I released that, then I went to five figures a month and beyond. Do you see that when you work with your clients that are struggling with people pleasing? Is it impacting their income?

Yeah, I would say it does impact income. I see it often from a career standpoint in terms of getting that promotion. We think people pleasing will get us farther and our career. And that’s part of the reason we keep doing it. And it honestly to a point, it can. But is it won the career you want to? Is it the way you want to get there? And three, there is a point where the boss no longer wants a yes person.

They want somebody who will actually share what they truly believe because that’s going to be what spurs the conversation within the team. So that’s more from an organization perspective. But I can see how it would apply also to entrepreneurs and and coaches alike.

Right on. Cool. I just want to say hi to Elizabeth. She’s one of our our biggest fans showing up here on the podcast and tune in live from the Southern California desert. So just as a reminder, guys, if you see value in this topic today of people pleasing, do you know someone who struggles with saying no, you do know someone who struggles with always seeking approval and ways of things like overworking, overcommitting things of that nature. Please hit the share button and start start throwing out questions, because we only have Lisa here for thirty minutes today.

I’d love for you guys to ask questions and not just me. Maybe this would be a good time for you to tell about any testimonials of what you’ve seen that helped your clients overcome or start. Like we said, it’s not an overnight success. Start releasing that that people pleasing behavior for sure.

And I’ll start just with my first client, which was myself, as it often is for people in this industry. And I remember I used to this is before I was doing my own business. I worked in a position and I would always stay late. I thought I was doing it to help the company and yes, I was, but if I really got real with myself, I was scared to go home at a reasonable time because of what my boss would think.

They wouldn’t think I was putting in I wasn’t being a team player, so I would stay late. And so for me, the first step and I find this off and be true to be true with clients as well, is to allow yourself to feel however you would feel for you to leave. So for me, thinking about leaving work on time, like at the end of the day, would make me feel guilty. Normally what that would mean was, OK, guilt would mean stay at work later and then after I’ve put in so much time, send a quick email so that could tell and then leave.

So what I had to do was say, OK, guilt, guilt means leave the office. Guilt means I’m allowing myself to be willing to feel uncomfortable and show it for me and leave anyways. I think that that at first was awful feeling like I’m not going to lie. It wasn’t the most fun to feel terrible and not stop doing what I was doing, but it allowed me to get to the point where I was showing up for me. And then eventually the guilt does dissipate, doesn’t it?

Doesn’t stay where you’re just feeling guilty every single day like you will release it as you go, as you see. OK, so that’s kind of a testimonial from just my own life and my own experience in that way.

I have to give you a kudos, because not many people want to allow emotions and feelings, even though we were born as babies to do that. It usually we want to numb our feelings and our emotions and not and look the other way. So anyway, I think I interrupted you. What were you got to say?

Well, I mean, first off, that’s a great point. And that is, I think, a key need for overcoming people pleasing. And this gets to actually what I was going to mention next is I loved your note about dopamine and the dopamine hit you get from people pleasing real because it feels good to be in this place where you kind of feel like you’re the reason they like you because of what you did for them. So what we want to do when we break this habit of people pleasing, I mean, it’s kind of two things.

One, it’s breaking the habit, but then, too, it’s shifting your identity. But to start breaking the habit, we need a new way to get a dopamine hit. Way that isn’t people pleasing and so I like to do and I actually did this for myself and it’s worked well for my clients as well, is I call it a self-support or tracker. I track the times when I wanted to go against my truth, like say yes, do more work, agree to that fun event that is not so fun at all.

Oh, really? I track the instances I wanted to people please. But didn’t the times when I held my ground, the times when I even if I didn’t say no, I even just made it a pause to say, let me get back to you so that you give yourself the space to really decide. So any time you do that, track it. Right.

I was just thinking we need to create an app for that, and you and I, we can go in on that. Maybe we’ll find an investor looking for investors. We can create a people pleasing recovery app. I know they have sobriety apps, so people pleasing their there’s got to be something out there. If not, we’ll we’ll create it. What do you think?

Let’s do it. We’re ready for it.

Oh boy. This is funny. I have to share. I don’t. I’m sorry guys. When if you don’t use the ad very often they don’t show us your face. So I don’t know who is saying this, but hey, wait, I’m people pleasing by jumping on lowest topics coffees program. That’s right. Keep doing it. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid. Here’s some good questions from the audience. Do you mind? Let’s go for it. So Shaun White says he feels like he’s on the other end of the spectrum.

So I assume you mean by not people pleasing where I should care more about what others think. But I feel very selfish at times because I guess, like, he doesn’t care. So is this a thing as well?

I love that question. So what I would say is, I mean, yes, that that is a thing. It’s coming from the intention that you have. So it might be that you are stopping people pleasing before it happens, because if people pleasing is about the intention behind the behind the behavior. So you are noticing it, still doing what you want, but acknowledging they might be upset. So there might be an inclination to people, please, that you’re not taking.

So you’re you’re already seeing it and stopping yourself from doing it. I also would just ask what and I don’t know if this is really what the question is about, but what is wrong with being selfish? There was a note about being selfish and they’re like, oh, no, I shouldn’t. I should almost like maybe I should be a giver. I should do that. But I would push back and say, why? Because oftentimes when we think we should should help people, if it’s coming from that place of obligation, then I mean, it isn’t true to us.

And then we don’t give the other person the opportunity to help themselves. Sometimes the best way to help another is to not do what they even want us to do.

Well, I think Sean can relate. He’s one of my dearest friends, Sean, I think that probably hits home because a lot of us, we do it because we want to help other people. And oftentimes we got to help ourselves first. We’ve got to fill our own cup before because that my cup is so empty. I didn’t realize how unhappy I was and how how spread thin I was here. I was thinking givers gain. I’m going to help all these people.

Ziggler says, help. You’ll get everything if you want. If you just help enough other people, that doesn’t mean you do it in spite of yourself and kill yourself along the way.

Isn’t there a saying out there that’s like when you don’t know what to do, like help another? And I appreciate the sentiment of that of supporting one another, but I think people actually do that as a distraction. People are so out of touch with themselves that they just go and do the things that they think will help others, because honestly, from a place of lacking their own identity, they don’t know what they want.

And then it is a form of self sabotage.

And so what we need to do is hit that pause again. I mean, that’s kind of a theme we’re talking about. Hit pause, check in with yourself if you don’t know what you want. Wait until you do or try different things out to see what resonates with you instead of immediately doing what you know they want you to do, even from a good intention to place, if we constantly do that, to distract ourselves from being in touch with our self, you never get to know us.

And that is what the world is waiting to know to be to resonate with. That’s what you’re here to do. So that’s what it takes. Courage.

It is. But it goes with and I figured out who are our Marcellus person. So this is this is Frank. He’s going to be on the podcast, guys, two weeks from today. Thank you, Frank, for being a promoter. He’s been amazing. He says what’s a great way to break the cycle? Go cold turkey? Well, I think we already agreed that you can’t go cold turkey. I personally don’t think I used to be health and fitness coach.

Cold turkey is actually usually another form of self sabotage at all or nothing approach. Wouldn’t you agree, Lisa?

I would completely agree. And thank you, Frank, for this question. So then what I would advise is there’s the two sides, there’s the habit, and then there’s the identity piece. So I would start first with that self-support or tracker. Help yourself see how your. Not people pleasing, because, I mean, even through this whole thing, we’ve we’ve kind of joked around about how we’re recovering people pleasers, but I actually tell my clients not to call themselves that anymore.

Like, we’re not recovering people pleasers. We can’t be a behavior. We can’t be an intention. And that’s the thing we did from a certain intention. It’s not who we are. So let’s stay away from that label. And instead, what I like to do is start calling myself a self supporter. I’m like relabeling myself only that as it’s who I am instead. And so so Frank, it’s start that self supporta tracker and then also that loess.

I don’t want to get to teach you here. There are five steps that I do find to help. Are you OK if I just quickly knock them out, knock them out. And just as a gentle reminder, if you guys are just joining us, comment below. If you have questions, we got about another 11 minutes or so. And I know we’re willing to go a little bit over today. Right, because this topic is near and dear to my heart.

And I find a lot of people in the pandemic recognized it because they have the big paws that force them to look in the mirror, even though it’s painful as hell. And if you see value, hit the hit the share button. So go ahead, take it away.

Awesome. So the first step is we need to identify the symptoms. So so I was sharing earlier about how I would stay late at work because I would feel guilty if I left. So for me my symptom was the feeling of guilt. What about for you? Is it anxiety about what someone will think if you don’t agree? Is it maybe it’s not a feeling, but an actual discomfort, you start to notice, maybe your cheeks tingle, maybe you feel it in the pit of your stomach.

You want to start identifying those symptoms. You don’t have to try to change them yet. That’s not the goal. This very first step, you just want to start to notice, because once you build the awareness, then you won’t notice that after you people please. You’ll notice it right before you want to build that, because that is our point that we can shift before the behavior and before the behavior is the symptom. And that’s a feeling either a physical or emotional.

Sometimes it’s a thought as well, or even just a general knowing inside. Like, you kind of know you don’t want to do that or you’re not being truthful. That indication, that’s your symptom. And the second step, which we’ve talked about already, is to pause. You build a past point that’s easy to say, harder to implement. But some ways I will do that myself is I will take a sip of water, like if I’m in a meeting and I can’t, like, leave the room before I respond, take a sip of water.

If they want immediate response, I will talk out my answer. I will say, hey, I can’t tell you exactly what I think. Here are the different points I’m reflecting on now and I’ll share that. And then I’ll say I will get back to you after I’ve had more time to make sure that I’m really getting to the heart of your question and being true to yourself.

Yeah, yes. That’s that’s so key, because when we pause, sometimes what people do is they’ll say, oh, RSVP later and then they, like, never follow up. That’s not what we mean, because that’s kind of another form of people pleasing where you don’t want to upset them. So you just kind of goes to them. Only don’t respond if that feels true. We what, like what you want to do. So so that’s the second step is to pause and then the third step.

You want to check in with yourself. I want to ask yourself what you think. And sometimes I’ll even tell people before they’re going into a meeting, if they know what the meeting’s about ahead of time, ask themselves their opinion. Some of us need more time to process and to think about it. So if you can ask yourself ahead of time and already know what you think, knowing it might change, but at least then you have some gut, the gut check for yourself.

Assam’s. Perfect, that’s the third step, and then you want to decide which you basically do once you do that internal checkpoint and see where you’re at and a decision is yes, no or I don’t know what’s allowed. And then fifth is that commitment to actually act upon it. And that’s where you have to be willing to feel the guilt or the anxiety or really give up the control of how the other person is going to respond. So that was a really long answer to your question.

But those are the five steps that I find to really help you immediately start to make those shifts.

I think that’s great. So, Frank, great question, because now we got some some some tips, some key tips. We have another question from Shawn. And I chuckle because I can think of at least three industries on this one. But do you think certain industries attract more people pleasers like he’s he works with a lot of real estate professionals. I was a realtor and I remember very clearly, Lisa, I didn’t work nights and weekends. I had people if they were going to hire me and they expected me to jump every time my phone rang, I they were not my client because I wanted a life.

I wanted balance. So I wasn’t a people pleaser at the time, but I was surrounded by a lot of workaholics and people who had to have their phone on 24/7. So I could relate with that. Shawn, but what do you think is an industry specific or is it? I don’t know.

You know, I hadn’t thought about it that way before hearing that question. What what came up for me was anyone in a helping profession I could see there wanting to help. And not that you are always a people pleaser if you’re in that profession, but somebody maybe who is a therapist or social worker or something along there. I could see it coming up. Also, consultants, I mean, they have clients that they’re wanting to serve and often at any hour, like you’re saying, with real estate.

So I could see it coming up a lot there. So it might be more that there’s more opportunities for it to present itself or attributes of the job do attract people who who really like to people please. That that could be I think it also comes down to two. Are you full time or part time? Because I found and network marketing and my my my journey and my experience a lot of times when we have part time side hustles or plan BS and things of that nature, that’s actually what led me to become more of a people pleaser because I thought I had to be available seven days a week because there some kind of scarcity.

I also think people pleasing has a seat of scarcity, a fear of loss, formal fear of missing out on Facebook all the time to respond to someone. I got to check my email all the time. I got to have my texts on all the time and respond in a nanosecond so they still like me. So that was my personal experience. So I actually now want to coach network marketers and holistic healers. Oftentimes they want to heal, right?

They want to be there and you’ve got to heal yourself and take care of yourself. There’s more than enough right. When you say a good way to not only be a self supporter is to have an abundant philosophy or mindset to help you remind yourself you are more than enough and there’s always enough time. There’s always enough opportunities to help you combat that.

I would completely agree. And and this makes me think I think sometimes we confuse helping with people, pleasing every helping behavior isn’t people pleasing it comes down to do I genuinely want to do this or am I doing it? Because I think they’ll feel a certain way if I do it. So I’m giving up who I am in a way to make them feel away so I can feel good. So it comes back to that piece around the genuineness of it in terms of do I want to?

Is this true for me? Because we can be in the helping field and not be people pleasing. Or we can be in a job we don’t like doing an activity we don’t love and it doesn’t make it people pleasing unless we’re lying to ourselves because sometimes there’s activities in a job. I don’t love doing this, but I see how it could help me further out in my career. So even though I don’t like it in the short term, genuinely long term, this will help.

This is good. This is true for me. I don’t have to lie about it and pretend I love it, but I can find ways to enjoy it. I can find ways to make it work for me. I can tell myself there are things about it that do matter. I can help myself to see that.

And I think for me, too, this is one more symptom and it will take time for one more question. So if anybody has one more question, please comment below. Quickly, before we wrap it up for me, another symptom of people pleasing was chronic fatigue, exhaustion, digestive issues, health issues, because I was doing too much on that hamster wheel, saying yes to too many people, thinking I had to because I had to work hard in order to be successful.

Right. That was the lie I told myself. And now I’m like, I’m not doing that anymore because my health started to fall apart. And when I started taking weekends off and nights and weekends off again, like I had way, way back in the day when I was way more balanced and not a people pleaser. Oh, my gosh, I’m coming down on my thyroid medication. My digestion to improve my sleep is better. Have you seen that as another common side effect of people?

Yeah, people burn out, whether it’s emotional and that’s where it ends or whether it takes on this physical component that you’re describing. And I mean, the culture we live in promotes people pleasing. But a lot of bosses want people pleasing a lot of clients. Benefit from you people pleasing. So it does take courage. To stay true to yourself, encouraged, unlike confidence, feels kind of terrible, you’re like, I don’t know how this will turn out.

I’ve surrendered my control, how the other person is going to feel. And I’m still showing up doing this thing for me anyways.

And you just made me think of a really sad statement. And I don’t want to offend anyone here, but I have to share this. I heard this and I wish I could go back and really understand the statement because I didn’t see it as a people pleasing thing. But I had a woman in corporate America who told me if she needed to get something done, she knew she could always give it to one of her alcoholic employees. Because they want to say no, they would say yes, because that was a symptom for them of of people, please and just give me more.

Give me more. I mean, can you imagine that? Can you imagine hearing someone say that? And and we have a society that’s addicted to a lot of things, whether it’s Netflix, whether it’s work, whether it’s substances, whether it’s, you know, whatever. Right. That’s brutal, and I think what I mean, that is a call to all of us that while society doesn’t necessarily promote. Supporting yourself over people pleasing is not going to change until the individuals change, tell the individuals are willing to take that step to say no, to not agree.

And it’s going to feel terrible. But it is a gift to you. And it’s also what all of us in this world can do to make make this world ultimately a better place, because then we all get to be us. And that’s what we’re meant to be. That’s why we’re all here to get to be awesome, to share us your true highest and best version of yourself. I think that’s a perfect segue way. Awesome to tell us where can people find you, Lisa, and tell them about your confidence guide your free gift that I’ve now put on the screen, guys.

And I’m also going to drop it below in the comments and put it in the show notes as well.

Awesome. Thank you. So you can find me at Belief’s Dotcom and then for some free resources. If you go to see dotcom and then slash confidence vache guide. I have some pretty awesome resources for you there. So the main one that I want to make sure to highlight here is a ebook and it’s 40 pages about the five myths that often stop us from fully showing up as us there, their myths that society has taught us, not from them, to try to keep us down maybe, but they’re not even intentionally taken in, but they block us from accessing who we are.

So when we know what these nezar. We can start to sift out of them, we can break through them and we can feel more confident whether it’s at work, whether it’s with your clients, whether it’s with your family. So I want to offer that to you. You can get that there. I also have some different webinars that are recorded there for different topics for anyone interested and an opportunity to do a consult call with me as well. If you really want to dove deep about confidence, talk with me one on one.

Get an idea of your specific Blocher’s and we’ll diagnose what’s going on and talk about what your next steps can be for you. So that’s what I have to share with you today.

That’s amazing. That’s incredible. All of that for free. You guys, please have fun putting it together.

Well, guys, hit the Sherbon on this. I just got a couple of announcements, and then I want to ask at least our closing question that I ask of all of my guests. I want to guys, first of all, I’m excited. Next Tuesday, I celebrate my first year anniversary, hopefully first of many years of my podcast. I want to give a shout out to Josh Field for sending me this gorgeous mug, but now is going to be deemed my weekly podcast show mug.

Just so you know, Josh, at least for the foreseeable future, but celebrating a year. And I’m going to tell you the good, the bad and the ugly of what have I learned about myself through this journey? Because I was just uncovering my people pleasing actually, just before I launch this podcast. So I was terrified to launch this podcast, Impostor Syndrome. All of the fears. I mean, I cried a lot of tears because I, I was afraid I didn’t have the confidence to show up as the real Lois fear of judgment, the whole nine yards.

And then how did I turn that and make six figures in the first nine months of launching my podcast? And also bringing on my coach who helped me do that. He’s going to be making a cameo appearance and I’m giving away two thousand dollars worth of coaching for those who want to experience my generation and mastery coaching, increasing your sales results in less time. So tune in to not sign up on this link to register. You’ve got to register for the prize on that page.

You’ve got to show up during five, which is Tuesday from three to four p.m. Pacific. I try to pick a time. My Europeans are probably like four, but I try to pick a time that is is reasonable, hopefully for everyone. I’ve got so many time zones represented here and then I’m going to be giving away a lot of value, of course, on that call. So tune in, show up, show out. And then just one last kind of teaser for my August five day challenge.

If you want to generate five or five days, one hundred leads and how to follow up with excellence in this new normal, I’m rereleasing that version 2.0 for the last time this year for free. Otherwise you have to pay five hundred bucks. So sign up at lowest cofee dot com forward slash challenge and I hope to see you guys at one or both of those opportunities. So last question that I always ask ultimately is when you think of or hear the phrase healthy and wealthy and wisely, so, what does that mean for you?

I love that question and thank you for those awesome new resources that you’re doing with the challenge and the anniversary episode as well. So for me, healthy, wealthy and wise, it really is about taking that veil off the mask and showing up. Is you bringing your full self to the table. That’s what you’re here for. And that’s your gift to share with yourself for one and with the world. So when we can show up in that way, when we can have the confidence to do that for ourselves, we better the planet, we better our own self as well.

So that’s what it means to me to be healthy, wealthy and wise.

Yeah, it’s it’s so true. You’re impacting the collective consciousness if you don’t know what that means. We’ll talk about that another day. But you’re impacting the universe when you show up as your highest and best self. I love it. I love it. Thank you so much for bringing your your wisdom and knowledge today. Lisa, again, if you guys saw value, not only hit the share button, make sure if you’re seeing this in YouTube or you’re finding this on someones page right now, maybe for the first time, never heard of this show.

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